Talens Pantone Markers and Ink

Inks are one of my favourite mediums of all time. Ink from fountain pens, technical pens, and markers are wonderful, but my ultimate favourite is to use inks with a paintbrush. I love these for that.
Pigments vs Dyes and Alcohol vs Water
Inks come in quite a few varieties, from the stuff in bottles to the stuff in markers and pens. Indian ink is the first ink I got familiar with in school, and alcohol ink is what I fell in love with as a teenager.
Most things called “ink” are dye-based. That means that they’re made with organic materials that are not lightfast, but can be brilliant and vibrant while they last. They can be water-based or alcohol-based. Most art markers are alcohol-based, like Copics, Ohuhu, and Letraset (now Winsor & Newton Promarker). Chartpak makes alcohol-based markers as well (but I quite like their xylene-based ones, the only xylene markers I know of.) Water-based dye inks include Kuretake markers (such as Real Brush), Tombow markers, and the vast-vast-vast majority of fountain pen inks. Also, there are some dye-based ‘liquid watercolours’ out there that behave similarly to ink, such as Dr Ph Martin’s Radiant Concentrated and Synchromatic, as well as Talens Ecoline.
Water-based inks are wonderful to use with a brush. Even if not in bottle form, but in marker/pen form, they can be drawn on the paper directly from the instrument and then softened with a wet brush, or drawn onto a porcelain palette and used like paint. Most water-based inks I know of are resoluble like watercolour to some extent, and therefore simple to blend.
Pigment-based inks are something I’ve only ever seen in water-based varieties (though I’m going to do some experimenting someday with pure pigments and alcohol). The first ink I ever knew was Indian Ink, which is pigment-based, and Faber-Castell Pitt Artist Markers are filled with that very stuff and are incredible. There are also acrylic inks, and pigment-based liquid watercolours (by brands like Schmincke and Dr Ph Martin). Pigments are inorganic materials, and have much better lightfastness than dyes for the most part.
So, where do Talens Pantone Markers and Inks fit into this wild smattering of categories? They are water-based and pigment-based, like Indian Ink, but they have something very different about them.
Uniqueness
These inks have two qualities that I adore and have found in no other pigment-and-water-based ink: they’re matte, and they’re permanent.
Dye-and-water-based inks can be matte, but are generally resoluble. Indian inks and acrylic inks are also waterproof when dry, but they are both very glossy (except for some specialised black inks). But these come in 108 colours aside from black and dry into amazing matte transparent layers.
They’re discontinuing these markers and inks, I think perhaps because they were advertised to the wrong crowd and have a high price tag outside of Europe. These are *not* like alcohol markers at all.
What They’re Not For
You won’t get blends with these easily while using them as markers. They’re nothing like blending a Copic or a Kuretake. They dry incredibly fast, sometimes more quickly than you can get yourself the next marker open that you want to blend. There are ways to help this, such as using them on wet paper, but that’s another issue because they are finnicky with the paper they’ll work on, I’ve learnt. They tear lightweight wet papers quite easily.
The first paper I tried these inks on was inside my Rendr sketchbook. I only had the bottled inks at this point. I’d purchased the ‘basic’ colours (same 9 available in the ‘primary’ marker set) and a couple extra reds. I assumed they were going to bleed and feather, so I went with what I use for markers. They look fabulous on this paper, I think, and adding water to them from this stage looks incredible. Painting them from a palette is great, and mixing can absolve a need for having all the colours.
The only downside was “oh wow this paper warps terribly when wet!” I did four paintings with them in this book before I decided to try something else. Starting with my default sketch below, which made me completely fall in love.

Forest Kiss
I did this painting in my Rendr sketchbook entirely from a porcelain palette. I used the bottled Talens ink exclusively, no markers.
In general, I was just as in love with the process during this painting as with the first experiments, but things weren’t getting deep enough for me, everything seemed much too light and highkey. My first thought was maybe I should get a couple of the markers in dark colours to really accent things, and build contrast. I still haven’t gone over this with markers, because I think the real issue was the paper and my scant use of the ink. I could have used it less diluted and with a firmer brush. But, best save that for better paper.



Mort at Rhys’ Wedding
This was also done in the Rendr, and I hardly like anything about it. For one thing, to deepen the blacks, I tried using a Pentel Indian Ink pen as well as some fine liners, but the gloss is so different and the blendability is non-existent and it was a terrible idea all around. All I like about this one is the effect around the smoke in the sky. Also the skintone is decent, and the backlighting is alright. But this ain’t it.
Shorn
This is when I got some of the markers. There was a great sale on them, they were like 3 dollars each, so I jumped on the opportunity and used some markers along with the bottled inks. Mort (in the red coat) looks fabulous in this, I count that as a total success. This is where I learnt that the markers dry *fast* and that’s why I gave up on the background for the most part. But, if you draw them into something that’s already a bit damp, they make great transitions. Rhys’ (black coat) hair is a great example of this, I love that look.
A Snog on Watercolour Paper
This is where things really started to get exciting and wonderful. I thought, since I’m using these like paints, let’s use them on cotton paper. This is a small square sheet of Magnani Italia paper. I used mostly a palette for this, but also drew into the wet paper, especially the hair. I absolutely loved this (it’s a version of a huge panel painting I’ve been working on for a while in oil). The only downside I found was that there aren’t as many tide lines and hard edges. Obviously the cold-pressed nature has a lot to do with that. Also, I think Mort’s skintone is a bit too green in parts.
Zeta Sketchbook
I think my favourite sketchbook of all time is the Stillman and Birn Zeta. Sometimes I prefer textured cotton paper, but in this sketchbook I can try pretty much anything and get a great feel for it. Since I use it as my main experiment book, I thought I should try the markers and inks out in there. By this point, my birthday had passed and I’d collected every single colour in marker form and a few more ink refills, so I was ready to use these in all the things. I was shocked by how fabulous it looked in this sketchbook. No bleedthrough, either.

Aminah
This is the painting I’m so far most satisfied with out of all of my first attempts. The biggest thing is that I find the paper pretty perfect, but my technique is improving. One thing I’ve learnt is to layer even more heavily, as in get five layers just of a midtone to pump up the saturation. Another important thing (something I need to remember with all my water-based painting) is to let it dry in between stages.
If worked too heavily, this paper will tear. If drawn into while wet, it can pill a bit. But for painting off of a palette it’s a dream. The lines are so crisp (just look at the shading around the left eye, I love it! And on the lapel of the coat!)
I still need to work on my backgrounds, but this is a skill issue not a tool issue.





Do I Adore Them Still?
Yes! Even more than before. But for this sort of painting usage only. I don’t like using them as markers very much (yet), but painting with them is phenomenal. I also have a small pad of the paper which Royal Talens made for these inks, so I will see how it faires in comparison.
It’s a shame that they’re not making them anymore, because there is nothing else I have ever found that’s quite like this. I was thinking of perhaps adding aquafix to watercolour to get a similar effect, or maybe adding airbrush medium to acrylic gouache? But that will increase gloss. Either way, I’ll enjoy these while I have them and when they’re gone, I’ll remember them fondly.


























Thanks for this review, it was very informative! It’s really difficult to find any information about these markers online, since as you said, it seems like they haven’t really caught on outside Europe, maybe due to the marketing or the high price. In my opinion the price is really high even in Europe…
Anyway, are they really discontinuing these?? Ugh, I’ve had them on my wishlist for like 2 years now. On one hand, they’re half off at a local art store now. On the other hand, if I really like them, I’ll be super pissed that I can’t buy replacements. 😅
Would you suggest buying the ink bottles rather than the markers? In your opinion, do the colours mix well in ink form? The ink bottles themselves are still normal price (about 12€ per 30ml bottle), but the markers were like 87€ for a basic 27-set, 29€ for the 9-sets. So I’m thinking, it might still be cheaper to buy a basic range of the ink bottles and just mix my own colours, since the bottles last longer anyway…
How do these compare to the Faber-Castell Pitt Dual Markers, have you tried those? They’re indian ink too, right?
I’m happy to see it was helpful! I couldn’t find much info either, so I thought it best to share. Depending on where you are in Europe (or the world, because online ships to a lot of places), there is a Spanish art shop called Hartem that has them for something like 4€ per bottle. The markers are deeply discounted, too. I was told by someone at a small scrapbooking store that they were being discontinued, that’s why they keep having sales on them. I had the same thoughts about what if I fell in love with them (which I did), and so I have a little back stash of basic bottled colours. I’ve been trying to figure out how to make my own versions of these with powdered pigments/pigment dispersions. I don’t think they are shellac-bound, though, like Indian Inks, but I’m guessing that solely based on how matte they are when dry.
I have used the Faber-Castell Pitt Dual Markers. I love those too! It once again comes down to mateness as a difference. I used some Faber-Castell Pitt Pens over the top of a few and there’s a different sheen. Other Indian Inks, like Dr Ph Martin are also great, but glossy. If sheen doesn’t matter to you, then you won’t be disappointed with Faber-Castell. They do have less colour options, but if you use a porcelain palette, you can make your own mixes.
The colours mix very well from the bottle, and one can mix up most of the colours offered from a set of maybe ten different inks. Getting heavy darks is difficult without the heavy concentration of a marker (or a dry brush) at least for me. So, if a graphic style is something you like to do, then the markers are the best option because you can get the graphic look of bright blocks of colour as well as drawing with them onto a porcelain or plastic palette and using a brush from there. If you like them for the aspect of having ‘waterproof watercolour’ then the bottles are the way to go. Best might be to get markers in whichever colours you want, and just a few bottles so you can refill the markers/mix on a palette for watercolour washes.
Oh, and if the Pantone aspect of it is at all important to you, I am not much help there because I don’t actually know or really care how accurate the colours are to Pantone. Since you’re asking about mixing, though, I assume you’re more like me, interested in a nice waterproof pigment-based ink. Maybe Talens will release them without the Pantone name next, just as art markers. I sure hope so.
Hmm, it’s interesting that they dry matte, especially when compared to F-C’s Pitt Dual Markers. I would’ve thought they had essentially same kind of formula, just with tweaked colours for the Pantone system. I actually have a set of Dr Ph Martin’s Bombay Indian inks, so I’d definitely be interested in comparing them with these.
Thanks for the tip about Hartem, I think I’ll buy a set of the ink bottles from there, I’m sure they’ll last for a while since they’re so large. Maybe a couple of the basic colours in marker form as well.
And yes, I’m really hoping that Talens will release a similar line but without the added Pantone price, since I really don’t care about Pantone. I think if Talens remakes this into a similar marker and ink range with a more affordable price, they would be great competition against Faber-Castell’s Pitt Dual, since AFAIK those aren’t refillable, and they are VERY expensive. I think the lowest I’ve seen the 30-set is like 100€, and I rarely see the individual markers being sold anywhere. And, they’d make a great European alternative to Dr Ph Martin’s Indian inks too, I think those are imported from USA. So, fingers crossed that they’ll announce a new replacement soon! 👀🤞
The Faber-Castell ones aren’t refillable, which is a shame (and yeah, the price is wild). But I do enjoy how they lay down ink. It seems to be wet enough to spread with a damp brush before it dries most of the time. If Talens doesn’t release these inks and markers in a better system, then I hope someone does. Pigment-based inks like this are a lot of fun and not so easy to find. I almost feel like I need to get a chemistry degree to figure it out on my own haha. I hope you have fun with the Talens Pantone ones! I suggest using watercolour paper if you only use a brush rather than drawing directly with them, they just look so nice on it.
Yes, I’ll make sure to see do some tests on paper types to get the best result, my first guess is that it might look good on hot press cotton watercolour paper. But I’ll make sure to test it on different types of marker papers too.
I just made my order and grabbed 22 (!!) of the 30ml Talens Pantone bottles and 5 markers. And since the Ph Martin’s Bombay Indian Ink (12 x 30ml) B-set was also on sale too, I added that to get free shipping. It was a pretty great deal all around, I’ve had my eye on that second set for a while too. And I even added a couple of reduced price individual Posca markers in a size and colour I haven’t tried before, hehe. ^u^
Thanks so much for the review and the tips! And I forgot to mention this before, but I love your art style, it’s so lovely, and it gives me retro manga/anime vibes from the 80s, which I absolutely love. 💜
Yes, try lots of papers and don’t ‘save’ the inks, have fun (I’m saying that for both of us, haha). With 22 bottles, I imagine you can make any colour you want, and a little bit of the ink goes a very long way in my experience. Also, more research is needed, but they seem to be resoluble if they dry on porcelain. Inks I’ve spread out the night before can be used the next day with a wet brush, but I think they perhaps aren’t as strong, maybe something evaporates? I don’t know, my point is that there’s lots of experimenting to do.
Thank you so much for the compliment about my art style! I spent so long as a ‘realist graphite artist’ that I was starting to worry that I’d never develop a style in illustration, but you’ve made me feel much better about that.
Wanted to once again thank you for this review, and for pointing me towards Hartem!
I think I mentioned this in an earlier comment, but I was aware of Hartem and had browsed their selection before, but hadn’t really come across people who had ordered from them. And since they’ve occasionally had such great discount sales, it made me inherently suspicious. But I got my package in good time last month (after a bit of hassle with the delivery company but I don’t blame the store for that), and everything was packaged super securely, nothing was broken. They had ran out of one of the ink colours and contacted me about replacing it with another one, so even their customer service was great. I’ll probably go write a review for them on Trustpilot after this.
I’ve really been enjoying these inks, they lay down surprisingly evenly even straight from the marker! I haven’t had the spoons to do much experimenting with the bottled inks yet, since I’ve also been doing comparisons with different types of marker paper for alcohol markers, and have been drawing a lot in general. I’ll probably do some type of comparison between these inks and the Dr. Ph. Martin Bombay Indian inks. Maybe I’ll add the Rohrer & Klingner Zeichentusche acrylic inks to the comparison as well. Hopefully I’ll have the spoons to at least write a text+photo comparison about it somewhere, if not a youtube/tiktok video.
It’s really such a shame these are being discontinued. I only recently realized that the Faber-Castell Pitt Dual Markers don’t even have a chisel tip, only a brush tip and a fine tip. I’m really not a fan of the fine tips in markers like these. I feel like they’re not that useful, since you can get fine lines with the chisel or brush tip too. And the chisel tips are essential for filling larger areas quickly, and for things like like calligraphy/lettering, which I actually tried out with these Talens markers! They’re pretty good for it. Although, not as good as dedicated calligraphy markers, where the tip is wide but thinner than in these (like Kuretake Zig Calligraphy), but they’re good enough with a little bit of practice.
In fact, upon realizing that the Pitt markers don’t have chisel tips, and noticing how much I really did like these Talens Pantone markers in their marker form, I ended up ordering a 27-marker basic set! I spotted the set being sold as “used, like new” on Amazon for 51€ (essentially just means it was a customer return). It was a miraculous luck to be honest, I’m just waiting for it to arrive now. Amazon is still selling new sets of it, but the “normal” price is 140€… so, that’s a crazy find for 51€! There’s only one local Finnish art store which sells these markers, and their price for the same set is 71€, and that’s WITH a -50% discount. That’s still quite a price difference. If these weren’t refillable even 51€ foe 27 markers would be a bit on the pricey side, but since I have a bunch of the inks, I imagine these will last me for years to come. Now I’m just wondering if I could find replacement nibs for these…
(Side note: I try to buy from local stores or shops like Jackson’s Art, and avoid Amazon if I can, but some items really aren’t widely available here or they’re like 3 times the price, so whenever I need something specific I’ll usually check Amazon’s prices for other things I might need as well, just to get the free shipping and avoid multiple packages from multiple stores. Otherwise I’m a certified Amazon hater.)
Btw, do you have art accounts outside of Youtube, like Threads/Bluesky/Tumblr/Tiktok? If so, I’d love to follow you. I myself only use social media sparingly, mostly for following other artists and occasionally sharing my own art. I’ve been meaning to film my own long form videos for youtube, but I haven’t yet managed to form a habit in order to remember to *start filming*, haha.
Ended up rambling… Thanks again! ^_^
Aw I’m so glad that I could help you with that. Hartem has fabulous sales sometimes, I understand the suspicion. I’ve ordered from them probably 10 times over the years, though, and they’ve been great.
The markers are honestly great, too, and you found an amazing deal. Someone got a similar deal on the 27 set for me for my birthday and filled in the blanks from various shops until they got the whole collection, I love it. There was even a special edition peach fuzz one that you might be able to find somewhere. Great for skin. The R&K Zeichentusche are another good one I forget about sometimes, but yeah, acrylic as you mentioned. Which isn’t bad, but it a bit different. I’d love to see your comparisons. I do have a tiktok, it’s my.many.muses and a tumblr https://as-earthlings.tumblr.com/.
The F-C don’t have the chisel tip, isn’t that a shame? But, I love the fine tip that they have for linework. I wish there were more like that. Letraset used to make alcohol ink markers that had a nib that fit on over the fine tip which made each marker an extra fine liner. They actually had three tips in one marker! They got bought by Winsor & Newton, who rebranded the marker as Promarker, but got rid of the third tip. Interestingly enough, the tritip markers were also Pantone. I still have hope that Royal Talens will just release these without the Pantone name, because they have their Ecoline markers, but those are completely different.
The only place I have ever seen replacement nibs is from a small US scrapbooking shop and they don’t even have them anymore. I should have gotten some, I should have, but alas I did not. If you ever find any, let me know. I hope you make some videos about these things, maybe it’ll help more people see how absolutely cool they are (and they’ll bring them back haha).
Oooh, dang, now I’m jealous of your collection~ I might try to find that peach fuzz colour, I think I saw either the ink or the marker somewhere earlier but didn’t buy it.
I’ll definitely follow you on tiktok and tumblr, I’m @antony_oscar on tiktok, and @antony-art on tumblr. My tumblr main is @saxonvoter, so the follower notification and likes will come from there. ^_^
About the F-C Pitt markers, that’s a good point, since there aren’t that many widely available coloured fineliners, especially if they’re waterproof? Have you tried the Pitt markers with alcohol markers/ink, do they smudge?
I bought some Ohuhu “alcohol marker proof” fineliners, which had multiple colours, and I had hoped they were as good as the Copic Multiliners since they were waaay cheaper, but… I did a small comparison with a sepia Copic Multiliner and a blue Ohuhu fineliner. I’m quite impatient with waiting for things to dry, so I just gave it a couple of minutes at first to see what happens. The Copic one didn’t bleed at all, the Ohuhu liner bled quite a lot. Then I did another test but let them dry for longer, maybe a couple of hours? The Ohuhu liner did better the second time around, although I think it still smudged just a little bit. But since I don’t have the blue Copic Multiliner to compare it to, so it could just be more of a thing with blue pigment. More testing needed. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Thankfully, Copic recently released a new line of coloured multiliners which are refillable, so I’ll buy those when the Ohuhu ones run out of ink. I can’t wait for them to be available in Europe! For real, I’m begging for more companies to make their markers and pens refillable. I hate throwing away the whole thing when it would be pretty easy to just insert a new ink cartridge or something. I actually found a 10-year-old Kuretake Zig calligraphy marker couple of weeks ago. The cap of the marker had come off, so it was completely dry. However, I somehow got the idea to refill it with fountain pen ink, and I soaked the nib in warm water for a bit, and now it works almost like new!
Hmm, maybe some alcohol marker replacement nibs could fit with the Talens markers? If I can’t find any, and I need to replace some colours later, I’ll just have to buy some empty alcohol/paint markers or something. But I’ll definitely you know if I end up finding any replacement nibs / markers.
If you never find the peach fuzz one, you won’t be missing out too much, it’s very close to the 1565/1585 warm red colours (in fact, it’s 1555, so right in between).
I haven’t tried the Pitt Markers with alcohol ink, no, I wonder how that would work. I’m going to assume it would work fine, but I’d have to test it. I have never tried Ohuhu, though I did buy one of their bleedproof sketchbooks a while back and that’s lovely. A friend of mine uses them, but alongside Sakura liner pens. I prefer the Sakura Micron ones as well. How totally awful that the Ohuhu ones bleed, though, that’s the opposite of what they’re supposed to do, come on guys. I’ve seen the refillable Copic pens but still have a very old set of the regular plastic ones, but I like the idea of refilling. I totally agree with you, when things are refillable, I love them more.
You and I had very similar ideas with our old pens, haha, I take apart every empty plastic marker and try to put either fountain pen ink or Indian ink in it. Strangely enough, Pitt artist pens don’t take well to just having more Indian ink put into the feed inside. But I should try something else with those. Do you mean those old flat calligraphy markers? I had some of those back in the day too.
Yes! Empty markers would probably be the way to go! Good thinking. If the ink clogs something like an empty Copic/Ohuhu, I’ll bet it would work very well in one of those acrylic ones that Holbein or whoever else makes. That could be fun in general, for the different tips one could get.
And thank you very much for the follows!
Looks like I don’t have either of those Pantone colours. I’ll put them on my list, in case I see them on sale anywhere.
Yes, the old marker I found and then refilled was a Kuretake Zig “Memory System Calligraphy” marker, a double ended one with 2.0mm and 5.0mm ends. They used to come in 48 colours, but I think half of them might’ve been discontinued? These days they’re also not as widely available as their newer “Memory System Calligraphy II” and “Calligraphy II” -ranges, which have 2.0mm and 3.5mm nibs. To me, 2.0mm and 5.0mm seem like a perfect combo, while 2.0mm and 3.5mm is kind of redundant, because the difference between them is so much smaller. I guess they’re just mean for smaller scale works. Their naming system is also SUPER confusing! The “Memory System Calligraphy” and “Memory System Calligraphy II” markers (23 colours) have pigment ink, while the “Calligraphy II” markers (24 colours) have dye ink. It took me forever to realise that the “Memory System Calligraphy II” and “Calligraphy II” are two different products!!
After a quick google search, it seems like even the blue Copic Multiliner will smudge with alcohol markers sometimes. It might actually just be a blue pigment thing. I’ll have to do more of those tests, clearly~
After some googling, looks like Indian Ink usually isn’t alcohol proof, so that’s probably a dead end. But that makes me wonder if Kuretake Zig’s colored sumi ink sticks (Saiboku Shimbi) are any different, they’re kinda similar to Indian Ink but not quite the same… Last June, after years of drooling after them, I bought the set as a birthday present to myself. I’ll have to add those to my growing list of experiments to do, heh.
I have heard very mixed messages about Sakura Pigma Microns. I have a bunch of them, but I bought the latest set before I realized they’re apparently not really alcohol proof, so I’ve kinda stopped using them. Admittedly they’re otherwise great pens, so I should use them for ink-only stuff and sketching.
I found out about the problem with Pigma Microns on Amy Shulke’s website (Vanilla Arts Co.) a while back when trying to learn more about alcohol markers. Although the article was written in 2020, so it’s possible they’ve improved since then? She also points out that the kind of paper you use with fineliners does matter a lot, and Pigma Microns tend to kind of sit on top of smooth paper and therefore smudge easier. Plus, something I remember noticing myself: if you do a sketch with a pencil, draw the lineart on top of it, and then erase the pencil after the ink has dried, it can cause some of the ink to fade.
Here are two of Amy Shulke’s posts RE: alcohol proof pens and Pigma Microns, in case you’re interested:
https://www.vanillaarts.com/blog/tools-fineliner
https://www.vanillaarts.com/blog/2016/2/15/copic-multiliner-vs-pigma-micron-does-it-really-matter
Now that I wrote all this out, I might have to do some of my own testing with the Pigma Microns, because now I’m curious about it. Some people say they never have any smudging with alcohol markers and Microns, but others say they’ve stopped using them because it happened to often. This requires science experiments! And my art supply experiment list is growing so much, I might actually need to make a spreadsheet or something to keep a track of it all… Oops. 😀
I was just playing with Sumi inks and looking up pigment info of the Saiboku Shimbi, and then you brought it up, what a fun coincidence. I have been really getting into those types of inks lately, and have some dried black ink on my current sketchbook page. I have now gone over it with a Copic marker and it didn’t seem to smudge. I haven’t tried with coloured ink yet, but so far looks like the binder is potentially alcohol proof. I used a grey Copic, so who knows about other colours. More experimenting is needed!
Woah, I didn’t know any of those Zig Calligraphy markers were pigment-based, I need to look way into that. I found some pigment-based pentel brush pens but I could only get one in brown.
Yeah, paper is a whole other monster when it comes to liners and alcohol markers, but I’m surprised that Sakura liners were smudging! I always go back to them because they’ve never failed me. Oh, I hope something hasn’t changed, since my collection is quite old. I have noticed the fading ink after using an eraser sometimes, though! Maybe that’s the bit on the ‘top’ of the paper, which I would have otherwise smudged, but instead I erased it? Sometimes erasing smudges the copic liners in my experience. I tell myself to be more patient and let them dry first, but I’m not sure it’s impatience.
Haha, you and I agree that art is at least 50% science experiments! It’s just so much fun to get to know the materials. Those Vanilla Arts posts are very interesting, and such a good point about shades of grey especially. Have you ever used technical pens? I love those a bunch as well, because you can fill them with any colour and lots of different inks. They are a bit of a pain to clean, and they have to be used pointing straight down, but I still enjoy using them.